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21/01/2008, 18:02 Russethouse Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 10,084 Re: Brocantes The legislation for this was made just a few years ago in order to crack down on dealers who were not 'legit' using vide greniers as an outlet. My understanding is that in some areas it is acted upon more stringently than in others. When you go to some of the huge VG like Oye Plage, Montreuil sur Mer and the one in Rennes you often see that the goods are not really just someones 2nd hand stuff but collectibles, and antiques too..... www.quimperclub.org 99    Report

21/01/2008, 18:03 Clair Joined on 23/08/2004 ------- Forum Moderator ------- Lot (46) Posts 7,712 Re: Brocantes  Frederick wrote: Who decides you can only try and sell your old crockery once ? Under pressure from professionals which could not handle or unfair competition from the sale of second-hand goods by unregistered professionals dealers (paying therefore neither charges nor taxes, and who offer no guarantees), or by competition from private individuals, the law has changed. (http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/12/ta/ta0468.asp). « Les particuliers non inscrits au registre du commerce et des sociétés sont autorisés à participer aux ventes au déballage en vue de vendre exclusivement des objets personnels et usagés deux fois par an au plus, à condition qu'ils aient leur domicile ou leur résidence secondaire dans l'arrondissement départemental, la commune ou, pour les villes de Lyon, Marseille et Paris, dans l'arrondissement municipal siège de la manifestation. « Les particuliers non inscrits au registre du commerce et des sociétés souhaitant participer aux ventes au déballage doivent s'inscrire avant le début de la manifestation sur un registre tenu par la personne qui organise la manifestation. « Ce registre doit mentionner l'identité du particulier souhaitant participer à la vente au déballage, son adresse ainsi que son numéro d'immatriculation de véhicule. « Ce registre est mis à disposition des services de police et de gendarmerie dès le début de la manifestation. « Un registre départemental informatisé est constitué par les services préfectoraux intégrant l'ensemble des informations figurant dans le registre mentionné aux alinéas précédents. « Ce registre départemental est mis à disposition des services de police et de gendarmerie. « Les modalités d'application du présent article sont fixées par décret pris en Conseil d'Etat. Quick google translation: "Individuals not registered in the commercial register and companies are allowed to participate in sales unpacking to sell exclusively personal and used objects twice a year, provided they have their home or secondary residence in Borough department, the town or, for the cities of Lyon, Marseille and Paris, in the borough municipal headquarters of the event. "Individuals not registered in the commercial register and companies wishing to participate in sales unpacking must register before the start of the event on a register kept by the person who is organising the event. "This record must include the identity of an individual wishing to participate in the selling, its address and its Vehicle Identification Number. "This register is made available to the police and gendarmerie at the start of the event. "A departmental computerized registry consists of the prefectural services incorporating all the information in the registry mentioned in the preceding paragraphs. "This register is departmental made available to the police and gendarmerie. "The modalities of application of this Article shall be determined by decree of the Council of State. Clair Real Virtual French Person    Report

21/01/2008, 19:22 Frederick Joined on 19/11/2007 Vendee 85/ Dorset Posts 201 Re: Brocantes If they stopped making biros.....France would grind to a halt !    Report

21/01/2008, 20:04 Cendrillon Joined on 19/10/2007 S.E. England & S.W.France Posts 440 Re: Brocantes  Frederick wrote: "You are ALLOWED a stand at one Vide Grenier a year "..!!.......Who decides you can only try and sell your old crockery once ?... What a country !.... Is there is a " Citizens Sale of Old  Tat and Junk Department "  full of functionaries in Paris?......I suppose there must be ....and its them  instructing gendarmes  to search out and keep in their place  these "try and  flog it again " criminals .   Well at the local Brocantes and Vide Greniers that I have been to in 17 you will often find the same "locals" week after week traiding at them all. It is quite useful when there is something you realised afterwards that you really "needed / wanted" and didn't buy the first time! LOL Cendrillon    Report

22/01/2008, 8:21 Gastines Joined on 23/08/2004 Les Gastines.St.Pere 5mins St.Malo Posts 877 Re: Brocantes In the FranceOuest paper last year,it stated a "particular" could do 2 VG's a year. This was brought in as the Registered dealers were losing trade to some traders in "Antiques"  who were doing the VG's on a regular basis. Occasionally you will see the Gendarmarie going around and the organisers of the VG's are supposed to take a note of sellers name /address and sometimes ID cards/passports numbers.they give these lists to the local Gendarmarie,alledgedly. When we first came over here,as visitors about 20 times a year., we just used to rush around buying as we had an"Antique/Junk/Collectables shop in Bournemouth. When we first moved here we started selling the remnants of the shop after selling the premises.We did 6-7 the first year,no problems.Now we just do the one at St.Meloir to have a yearly clearout and meet a few people. The main thing to beware of at VG's,is all the re-pro. virtually everything is copied these days and sold at the price to make you think it's genuine. As a result it seems the collectables market has died. WE are actually taking a load back to UK to auction as we are fed up looking at it all and it's time for a change. Anyway,it's usually a good day out and you often meet like minded hunters. Regards.    Report

22/01/2008, 10:17 dwmcn Joined on 21/04/2006 Posts 102 Re: Brocantes <<My understanding is that in some areas it is acted upon more stringently than in others.>> Like a lot of laws in France. I can hardly wait until our holiday in the Dordogne to see how well the smoking ban is enforced. Most of the VGs we have been to look like the people are selling things they want to get rid of. We look for those small nativity scene figures (santon) to bring back to England. We have between 30-40 different ones and can usually get them for about 50 cents. But you usually have to go through boxes full of them to find ones you don't have.    Report

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