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 17/06/2008, 15:06
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Jacqui Too
 
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Re: Please help.......insurance quandry
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But no they decided it was illegal to work whist driving on a green card. Someone find me a piece of paper that officially says that and I shall eat my Catalan Dragon hat!
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Not wanting to be argumentative and I agree that on the facts we have been given Mr O has been badly treated and some kind of redress is needed.
I would just like to add that last month we came to France with our transit van to do some private work on our own house, and as the same as last year I had to go to our insurers (NFU) to get a 'green card' because it is a commercial vehicle and therefor does not have the required wording (green card) printed on the back of the cover note as does our car. I was asked by the insurance company if we intended to work while we were away in France as they could not issue one if we were.
So may be it's the same whether you drive a car or commercial vehicle you may not be entitled to work and drive on a green card! I might ask next time I am in their office what insurance we would need IF we intended to work, just for curiosity.
Jackie
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17/06/2008, 15:06
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opas
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catalonia, top of the hill en route to the Chateau
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No it was a cold wet morning!
At no point was he asked when the car came into the country by the police, they were stuck on the no insurance and working on a green card issue (even though according to them he had not got ins)
The proof of entry was brought up in the courts to release the car along with a valid ins cert.......he gave the same document to the police on duty to get a paper to release the car as the one that was dismissed by the traffic cops.....only this desk policeman had the noggin to use the phone number on the back to check its validity.
I am repeating myself now.
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17/06/2008, 16:04
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Russethouse
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Re: Please help.......insurance quandry
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To answer the earlier question, frankly I wouldn't expect the first police involved to make any phone calls on my behalf, even to prove me innocent, I'd expect to be taken to the station, given access to some sort of representation and for that person to organize the call. Maybe thats wrong, let's hope I never have to find out![Wink [;-)]](/cs/images/emotions/wink.gif)
As Opas has said she doesn't wasn't to give all the facts, but on the face of it the chap was stopped, was of no fixed abode and in a car not mentioned on the ferry ticket. That raised suspicions, that part seems OK - after that ...we'll have to wait and see.......
I do think there is a discrepancy between what the police require and the ferry companies will accept in regard to identifying vehicles and that should be regularized.
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17/06/2008, 17:15
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opas
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catalonia, top of the hill en route to the Chateau
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| Russethouse wrote: | |
To answer the earlier question, frankly I wouldn't expect the first police involved to make any phone calls on my behalf, even to prove me innocent, I'd expect to be taken to the station, given access to some sort of representation and for that person to organize the call. Maybe thats wrong, let's hope I never have to find out
As Opas has said she doesn't wasn't to give all the facts, but on the face of it the chap was stopped, was of no fixed abode and in a car not mentioned on the ferry ticket. That raised suspicions, that part seems OK - after that ...we'll have to wait and see.......
I do think there is a discrepancy between what the police require and the ferry companies will accept in regard to identifying vehicles and that should be regularized.
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Firstly , he was stopped on the motorway. The police do not need an excuse to stop anyone , as it states on the Home Office Website. Also you have 5/7 days to produce documents as in UK it is not yet law that people have to carry their License, Insurance or Mot cert in thier vehicle. So why ask for the Insurance papers on a foreign reg car , in this case French, if you do not know how to interpret them, or use the info available. To me it is common sense
So would you expect to be arrested to get to the police station to make that phone call? You couldn`t drive your car there as you may not be insured, you cannot park your car on the Hard Shoulder as this too is illegal and use the police car as a as a Taxi, the easiest , quickest and cheapes option all round would be for the police to make a call to satify themselves that you are/are not insured
Can I also point out here Mr O is NOT without a fixed abode as you all know we have several addresses in France, the police were not interested in any of those....they wanted a UK address!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So aparently according to them , not only do you need a UK address to work there you should also buy a new car at Dover and Insurance to go with it!
In this case all relevant documents were carried, but the police who stopped Mr O(who has been during his professional life has been in the back of many police cars,and these two were the worst, and can vouch that indeed the police will make a phone call to check something out....) claimed in court that because the documents were in French ( hello! what did they expect from a French Plated vehicle!) and they did not understand them and that there was an issue as to when the car entered the Country
Enough, you have all made your mind up, I am sure that if it had been an upstanding member of you forum with this problem , there would be an uproar..
This could happen to any of you.
Whilst at the station after the court getting his paperwork for car release the majority of the client were Polish, this crackdown of foreign cars is called Operation Wolverine.........
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17/06/2008, 18:22
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BJSLIV
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17/06/2008, 19:51
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Puzzled
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If we turn this the other way round, think of how many Brits come to France every year on their hols with valid UK insurance but written in English.
If the French gendarmes arrested them on suspicion of no insurance because they could not understand UK insurance or because they could not prove an address, there would be an outcry.
I accept that we only have Opas' version of events on which to make a judgement, but as I stated before (based on the circs as outlined by Opas) it had been my OH I would want at the very least an explanation. Especially as the Court quickly decided that there was no case to answer.
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18/06/2008, 7:27
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Tony F Dordogne
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We only have one side of the story, we have no idea what the Police side of what happened is and rather than rush to judgement on the side of Mr Opas, perhaps we should wait for the outcome of the enquiry and see what the independant - i.e. non-involved/biased - investigators have to say?
Tony F
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