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   11/08/2008, 19:59
Grecian is not online. Last active: 16/10/2008 10:52:59 Grecian

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Just when you think the mists are clearing, a real pea-souper blows in!

Having informed Preston by letter that we are emigrating to live permanently in France near the end of September, as we were instructed to do so by themselves, I today received a phone call from them informing me that my CA will be stopped at the end of September, when we move to France.

The lady that telephoned me said that a decision had not been reached regarding people leaving the country, who are already in receipt of CA. I tried to point her in the direction of their own website stating that as long as certain criteria are met, regarding receipt of other benefits, then CA is indeed exportable to people leaving the country. All this was to no avail, and as things stand at the moment, CA will be stopped once we leave.

I asked her if my file will still be active once we leave, and she assured me that it would. After having several telephone conversations with various benefit offices, it really does seem a complete lottery, as to whether the person you speak to, actually knows what they are talking about, and can seriously affect the outcome of the situation you are enquiring about.

I have sent a letter to the Decision Making and Appeals office in Leeds, seeking clarification to the memo DMA 18/07, (link posted by wild geese, 27th June) which by my reckoning states in paragraph 11, that anybody leaving the country can take the dosh with them. If I receive any further information from them I will post the outcome on here.

ebaynut, move over I want to use that wall. Blink [blink]


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   11/08/2008, 23:28
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 Grecian wrote:

ebaynut, move over I want to use that wall. Blink [blink]

Grecian, I am sorry but I have a feeling I will be needing it for sometime yet myself, but when I am finished, you will be the first to know. Wink [;-)]

 

 

        

 

 

 

 


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   16/10/2008, 16:38
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Hi

I am new to this forum. I have recently moved to France, and I am severely disabled and have been for most of my life.
I checked into the benefits side of things thoroughly before I came over.
I, like some of you, have also been left high and dry and left without much money each month,
how do they expect people to live particularly as prices and the cost of living are constantly increasing?
They told me that my benefits (DLA and SDA) and my care allowance were definitely exportable, they didn't say anything about it being
suspended for a long time, Which they have done.  I have been told that it could be up to a year before they come
to a decision as to how people in receipt of DLA are to be paid, as the EU have not informed them (DWP)as to how they are
to actually go aboutpaying it. This is not true.It's passing the buck, the Europa team have told me that the UK Government
is breaking Europeanlaw, and have no right to suspend anyone's benefit, simply for the fact that they have moved to a member EU state.
 

I have made a few enquiries, I e-mailed the exportability team at the DWP but I have not had any response up to now,
which doesn’t surprise me!

Last week I telephoned the helpline on the Europa website and told them the situation and you may be interested in their written reply which I have posted below.
Apart from this, I don't know what else I can do, perhaps you have some other ideas.
I just hope it isn't too long before they sort this out. I have not even had anything in writing to say that my benefit
has been stopped, they could at least do that, they just stopped it and my Carer's Allowance without notice, my carer is here with me in France too,
it doesn't cost much to send a letter does it? 

Regards
Longbow
 

REPLY FROM EUROPA

Thank you for this enquiry.

As you will already know, the EU comprises an area in which the free movement of EU citizens is assured. This freedom of movement is supported by the right to receive social welfare benefits throughout the EU. The rules relating to social welfare have been regulated, to a limited extent, by the EU. You can find out more by reading about Regulation 1408/71 at the following website:

http://europa.eu/scadplus/leg/en/cha/c10516.htm

The rules relating to social security in respect of certain kinds of benefit, including invalidity benefit may
not be subject to reduction on the basis of residence in another member state. This is subject to certain rules.
The ECJ in case C-299/05 (Commission of the European Communities v the European Parliament and the Council of the
European Union) held that the UK had wrongly categorised Disability Living Allowance as not being exportable.
Only the mobility component of DLA was not exportable under those rules.

The UK is currently revising its rules for DLA:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/FinancialSupport/Introductiontofinancialsupport/DG_073387

You should write, in the first instance, to the relevant authority in the UK:

Exportability Co-ordinator,
Room B120D,
Pension, Disability and Carers Service,
Warbreck House,
Warbreck Hill Road,
FY2 0YE

exportability.team@dwp.gsi.gov.uk

If your claim is rejected we would recommend that you contact:

your nearest Citizen's Advice Bureau in the UK

or the Child Poverty Action Group advice lines:

+44 (0)20 - 7833 4627 Monday to Friday, 2.00 - 4.00 p.m.

Alternatively, you can contact our sister organisation, SOLVIT, which may be able to assist.

The Citizen’s Signpost Service has examined your enquiry and considers that the matter could be dealt with by the
SOLVIT system.

SOLVIT is an informal network to resolve problems caused by the misapplication of EU rules by public authorities
in another Member State.

There is a SOLVIT centre in every European Union Member State (as well as in Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein).
SOLVIT centres are part of the national administrations and are committed to providing real solution to problems
within 10 weeks. The use of SOLVIT is free of charge.

You can submit your case to SOLVIT by
(1) Clicking on the link below entitled "I wish to sent my case to SOLVIT"
And then
(2) Completing the additional information requested
And lastly
(3) Clicking on the "Send to SOLVIT" button

Your case will be automatically be transferred to the relevant SOLVIT centre

If you do not wish to submit your case to SOLVIT now, you can of course submit it to SOLVIT at any time in the future.
To submit your case to SOLVIT later you should take direct contact with your local SOLVIT <http://ec.europa.eu/solvit/site/
index_en.htm>  centre.

Disclaimer

On the basis of the information available, the Citizen Signpost Service has suggested that your case could be dealt with SOLVIT. However, the advice from the Citizen Signpost Service is of a non-contractual nature only and does not in any way guarantee that SOLVIT will agree to deal with or resolve your case.
It is the responsibility of the SOLVIT centre(s) to decide whether they will accept to handle your case. SOLVIT will inform you on the decisions and outcomes of the case.

The advice given by the Signpost Service legal experts is independent advice and shall not be considered to be the opinion of the European Commission. As such it will not in anyway bind the Commission.

Note: To post another enquiry, please visit the Signpost Service Web Site <http://ec.europa.eu/citizensrights/front_end/signpost_en.cfm>  or contact EUROPE DIRECT <http://ec.europa.eu/europedirect/> .


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   16/10/2008, 20:19
Grecian is not online. Last active: 16/10/2008 10:52:59 Grecian

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Not really sure which thread to reply to, and we now have two running, but as this was the original one, I will carry on with this one.

Having now been in France permanently just over a month, myself and my wife find ourselves in a similar position to you longbow. My wife has had her DLA stopped and I have had my CA stopped, both without any communication from the relevant offices.

The only thing I can add to this thread which is new, there was a letter waiting for my wife at our new French address when we moved in, enclosing a form to be filled out, and returned to Blackpool. The form consisted of several questions relating to her emigration and enquired if she would be returning to the UK. It also gave the now well documented criteria, as to who would be eligible for the export of DLA, really the same text that has been on their website since last October. The letter informed her once they received the completed form it would go before a decision maker, who would decide if her DLA is exportable. Obviously it would appear that the decision maker is in the wrong job, as to date my wife has not yet received an answer either way, informing her of the status of her DLA.

I suppose the fact she received a form to fill in could mean that some sort of decision on people's DLA/CA could be imminent, I sincerely hope so.

 

 


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   17/10/2008, 10:46
Grecian is not online. Last active: 16/10/2008 10:52:59 Grecian

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UPDATE--RESULT!

Well obviously the male/female decision maker at Blackpool must read LFM forums, because this morning my wife received a letter from them informing her that the care component of her DLA will be reinstated, but not the mobility component, which we were aware of already.

This obviously means anybody leaving the UK, who is in receipt of DLA and meets the criteria laid down for receipt of the benefit, will be able to export it with them when they leave the UK. Hopefully it will also mean those who left the UK pre-October 2007, will be able to claim back the benefit that was stopped when they left the UK.

Still CA to sort out, but one victory at a time I think.

 


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   17/10/2008, 11:07
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 Grecian wrote:
Not really sure which thread to reply to, and we now have two running, but as this was the original one, I will carry on with this one.

The two DLA threads could not be merged (too many posts), so the other thread has been locked to help users locate the information that they are looking for.
See here to read it: http://www.completefrance.com/cs/forums/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=1&PostID=1429615


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   17/10/2008, 13:57
Tony F Dordogne is not online. Last active: 17/08/2008 17:50:06 Tony F Dordogne



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Re: DLA some movement
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 Grecian wrote:

UPDATE--RESULT!

Well obviously the male/female decision maker at Blackpool must read LFM forums, because this morning my wife received a letter from them informing her that the care component of her DLA will be reinstated, but not the mobility component, which we were aware of already.

This obviously means anybody leaving the UK, who is in receipt of DLA and meets the criteria laid down for receipt of the benefit, will be able to export it with them when they leave the UK. Hopefully it will also mean those who left the UK pre-October 2007, will be able to claim back the benefit that was stopped when they left the UK.

Still CA to sort out, but one victory at a time I think.

 

 

When did you leave the UK?  I was told that new/ongoing cases are being dealt with ASAP but us older timers are the ones that will have to wait.


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   17/10/2008, 14:17
Grecian is not online. Last active: 16/10/2008 10:52:59 Grecian

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We left the UK on 16th September 2008. Big Smile [:D]

Obviously as you say they are dealing with the new cases first, but hopefully that will mean that they are working their way around to the 'old timers' at some stage.

 


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   17/10/2008, 15:18
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CONGRATULATIONS  Beer [B] Grecian.

As one who is making a second claim from abroad (first one in 2005 turned down on the basis of not living in the UK) Mrs Benjamin is waiting with bated breath.  Big Smile [:D]




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