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01/12/2007, 0:34 Bones Joined on 23/08/2004 Posts 425 Re: Moving with a reluctant teen? - views welcome And for the record, girls from African countries can be twelve and yet look 18. Its the equatorial climate you see; they mature at a very young age with many being married off and having babies before they are 15. It's the same with indigenous Australian females. What experience does your husband have to know that a young girl is not 14?. ------------------------------------------------------------- That's very interesting. You state that your comments are "for the record", perhaps you'd like to provide a source because I'm sure there will be many here who might suspect that you are presenting opinion as fact. I'm pretty sure that any girl/boy can look older/younger than she/he actually is, regardless of their ethnicity or "climate" and I'm sceptical as to whether there exists any reliable studies of geographical anomalies. Are there biological changes following childbirth that grossly affect an adolescent's physical appearance or are we talking general demeanour here; if so could you detail the salient features? Are these effects confined to "indigenous Australian females" and "girls from African countries" or are they apparent also in young girls from other continents/ethnic backgrounds?    Report

01/12/2007, 0:56 Bones Joined on 23/08/2004 Posts 425 Re: Moving with a reluctant teen? - views welcome  woolybanana wrote: Many years ago I worked birefly at a school for newly arrived immigrants in Brimingham. The number of kids claiming to be under 15 was amazing when it was clear to all that they were not. But they too also had "papers" to "prove" their age. Those lousy proof providing papers, eh?! This is why I'm all for unbridled immigration. Here we have a group of kids whose parents are pushing them to learn, whilst so many of our kids take education for granted and prefer happy slapping their way through adolescence. A truly heart warming anecdote, must have been a highly rewarding teaching experience for you.    Report

01/12/2007, 7:46 The Riff-Raff Element Joined on 23/08/2004 South Vendée - The Particularly Nice Bit Posts 1,655 Re: Moving with a reluctant teen? - views welcome  Bones wrote: This is why I'm all for unbridled immigration. Here we have a group of kids whose parents are pushing them to learn, whilst so many of our kids take education for granted and prefer happy slapping their way through adolescence. Now that is a good point! During the mid to late 1980's when I was just but a scruffy little urchin, one of the mottos that used to appear with high frequency on the banners of assorted student demos was "Education is a Right Not a Privilege." Actually some of them spelt it “privilage”, but that’s by-the-by. I used to go along to meet new people as most of the most passionate brandishers of said banners were unfamiliar faces not generally seen in the dull environs of a lecture theatre, and it did rather occur to me that the motto was complete rot. Even if it is offered free, offered by right and offered to all, an education is still a privilege Jon Doust-e hameh kas doust-e hich-kas neest    Report

01/12/2007, 11:12 raindog Joined on 26/09/2007 HERAULT Posts 797 Re: Moving with a reluctant teen? - views welcome  The Riff-Raff Element wrote:  Bones wrote: This is why I'm all for unbridled immigration. Here we have a group of kids whose parents are pushing them to learn, whilst so many of our kids take education for granted and prefer happy slapping their way through adolescence. Now that is a good point! During the mid to late 1980's when I was just but a scruffy little urchin, one of the mottos that used to appear with high frequency on the banners of assorted student demos was "Education is a Right Not a Privilege." Actually some of them spelt it “privilage”, but that’s by-the-by. I used to go along to meet new people as most of the most passionate brandishers of said banners were unfamiliar faces not generally seen in the dull environs of a lecture theatre, and it did rather occur to me that the motto was complete rot. Even if it is offered free, offered by right and offered to all, an education is still a privilege I agree with this - that's why my blood boils when a minority of spoilt French students "go on strike" and block the universities to those who want to get on with their studies. sociability is just a big smile and a big smile is nothing but teeth    Report

01/12/2007, 20:00 Jura Joined on 28/11/2005 Posts 807 Re: Moving with a reluctant teen? - views welcome Bones, for gods sake, I never used the words 'for the record' in quotes, you did. I never used those words at all. Whats-her-name (Tourangelle?) simply stated earlier that her husband was 'experienced' and could tell if a girl was 14 or not. Personally, as a female I can not guess the correct age of many young females these days!.  My ex-husband, and the father of my three elder sons, is from an African country. I can tell you now that his sisters were all capable of producing babies before the age of eleven. When I first met them they were in their mid-teens but two could have passed for young women over 20. Just do a bit of research; the closer to the equator you are, the earlier puberty strikes. African females are well documented for reaching puberty at an early age. This is not racist at all, it is simple biology. This also applies to young females from the South American countries. If you prefer, I can outline the 'salient features' identifying a pubescant female...but are you really that ignorant?. Hmmm.        Report

01/12/2007, 20:28 Jura Joined on 28/11/2005 Posts 807 Re: Moving with a reluctant teen? - views welcome However, this topic should not become an 'underwear' thing. My son was 16, and 6ft 2, when we took him to the local college in 2004 for enrolment. Their argument against his enrolment was not only that he could speak very little French, but that he was 'too tall, had red hair and would not really fit in with the local Catalan teens'. These last words, in quotes, came from a male from the local MLI who came to the college especially to see our son that day. Yep, an Aussie kid, well nourished and raised by the equator. But too mature looking for local French standards.  If it wasn't all so stupid I would laugh. Maybe one day I will But not so far.    Report

07/12/2007, 8:22 Frenchie Joined on 31/05/2007 Niort, 2 Sèvres,79 Posts 4,930 Re: Moving with a reluctant teen? - views welcome My son is a French boy, 13 and a half , 1m76 now, looking 16 or 17.. And we don't live near the tropics... Love is fab , it's like a stab in the heart .    Report

07/12/2007, 19:45 Iceni Joined on 23/08/2004 Lot 46 Posts 3,057 Re: Moving with a reluctant teen? - views welcome Better not take him to Australia then Frenchie, there might be a reciprocal revenge arrangement particularly if he can't speak Australian. John not Di How do I get MY free website?    Report

07/12/2007, 19:49 woolybanana Joined on 27/08/2007 Posts 1,578 Re: Moving with a reluctant teen? - views welcome Probably do him good. http://www.amazon.fr/Accepter-son-corps-saimer-François/dp/2738121748/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227267136&sr=1-1    Report

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