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 27/11/2007, 16:51
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Tourangelle
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Panda's right, house prices are going down according to newspapers like "les echos".
Although many dismiss Jura as a bit of a whinger, she make a vital point. School is not obligatory after 16, that is the law, and they don't have to take your child. Especially a child who has GCSEs and therefore has completed a "cycle". Just as an anecdote, my husband has a new girl in his class, in 3eme, he says no way is she 14, as she claims. He's really experienced, he'd know, and thinks she is at least 17. But the family has just moved over from the Ivory Coast, if she is over 16, she'd get no schooling. So it is an issue here, that people thinking of moving older children over should be aware of.
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27/11/2007, 18:58
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Just Katie
 
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 Tourangelle wrote: | Panda's right, house prices are going down according to newspapers like "les echos".
Although many dismiss Jura as a bit of a whinger, she make a vital point. School is not obligatory after 16, that is the law, and they don't have to take your child. Especially a child who has GCSEs and therefore has completed a "cycle". Just as an anecdote, my husband has a new girl in his class, in 3eme, he says no way is she 14, as she claims. He's really experienced, he'd know, and thinks she is at least 17. But the family has just moved over from the Ivory Coast, if she is over 16, she'd get no schooling. So it is an issue here, that people thinking of moving older children over should be aware of.
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If it is an issue, why dont they check her passport?
The immigrant in the attic
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28/11/2007, 11:39
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Tourangelle
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I guess it says she's 14! The issue is that at 16, as Jura has pointed out, you will be politely shown the door, and I think that it is really important that the OP with her 16 year old bears that in mind. I'm not suggesting she should pretend her child is younger!
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28/11/2007, 11:56
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woolybanana
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Many years ago I worked birefly at a school for newly arrived immigrants in Brimingham. The number of kids claiming to be under 15 was amazing when it was clear to all that they were not. But they too also had "papers" to "prove" their age.
http://www.amazon.fr/Accepter-son-corps-saimer-François/dp/2738121748/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227267136&sr=1-1
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28/11/2007, 18:58
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Jura
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They don't check passports on enrolling in schools here. And for the record, girls from African countries can be twelve and yet look 18. Its the equatorial climate you see; they mature at a very young age with many being married off and having babies before they are 15. It's the same with indigenous Australian females. What experience does your husband have to know that a young girl is not 14?.
While school here is not obligatory after the age of 16, that also means that schools are not obliged to accept you after that age. Regardless of what you want. While the UN recognises the rights of all children to an education up until the age of 18, the French do not. This is one more thing you would not have known until you moved here. Like us.
Yep...still whingin'.
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28/11/2007, 19:17
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Tourangelle
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He's been a teacher for nearly 20 years in various suburbs of Paris and Lyon and she's far from being the first pupil he's had who's come from an African nation. But hey, he could be wrong, what do I know, he told me this the day before yesterday, because she had just arrived and he was looking up the town she had said she came from because he didn't know it (professional pride, he's a geography teacher). He also said it wasn't his problem, which it isn't, but it is why what you were saying about not being entitled to schooling after 16 hit a chord with me. I think it is important that people realise this, and especially for the OP who is thinking of coming with a 16 year old. You're right, they don't check passports, or id cards, because any child of school age (6-16 just to repeat myself) is entitled to go, whatever their nationality.
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28/11/2007, 19:34
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woolybanana
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| Jura wrote: | |
They don't check passports on enrolling in schools here. And for the record, girls from African countries can be twelve and yet look 18. Its the equatorial climate you see; they mature at a very young age with many being married off and having babies before they are 15. It's the same with indigenous Australian females. What experience does your husband have to know that a young girl is not 14?.
While school here is not obligatory after the age of 16, that also means that schools are not obliged to accept you after that age. Regardless of what you want. While the UN recognises the rights of all children to an education up until the age of 18, the French do not. This is one more thing you would not have known until you moved here. Like us.
Yep...still whingin'.
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Sorry jura, I've too have experience of forged papers. Your arguement about young African women is really patronizing and racist if you wish. No, they have forged papers to get what they want or need. it is part of a culture to survive in Europe
http://www.amazon.fr/Accepter-son-corps-saimer-François/dp/2738121748/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227267136&sr=1-1
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28/11/2007, 20:22
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Scooby
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OK - maybe I'm being stupid here but...how can saying people of different ethnic backgrounds show their age earlier / later is racially biased whereas accusing certain ethnic groups of forging documentation isn't...?
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28/11/2007, 20:59
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woolybanana
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Forging documents to get what you want is not a racist thing at all. It is a question of getting something. Like the people who were taught what to say to immigration when claiming asylum, or the groups who added extra kids to their families to get benefits. ... (I speak with some experience). Hell, there are that many Brits in France on the fiddle too... Nothing to do with ethnicity, just criminality really.
http://www.amazon.fr/Accepter-son-corps-saimer-François/dp/2738121748/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227267136&sr=1-1
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