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 08/01/2008, 11:45
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Yachty
Joined on 08/01/2008
pres de Carcassonne
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Re: RE: Oil Heating, Hot water production and plumbing “funnies” in France
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Hello Peter,
Just perusing the forums and came across your historic comments regarding woodfired CH systems. I have inherited a rather valueless but charming village house nr Carcassonne and intend to renovate it , as cost effectively as poss! Am considering installing some form of heating and hitherto had intended to use electric under floor mats to ground floor and a wood burner to our upper floor sitting room. However, to increase the efficiency, it makes sense to consider installation of back boiler to service rads to other areas. Frankly the house will not see much winter use but heating would be desired at some point.
Cost of installation is the main consideration.
If you feel inclined to advise, I would welcome some dialogue.
Regards,
sebastian
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08/02/2008, 9:49
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DavidF
Joined on 07/02/2008
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Re: RE: Oil Heating, Hot water production and plumbing “funnies” in France
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Thank you Opel Fruit your post gives me an Idea on how to proceed with my project also have you ever used a pressure reduction unit on your mains water supply
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17/06/2008, 0:45
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Lee&Nik
Joined on 14/11/2007
nr Nontron
Posts 34
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Electric boiler instalation
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im sorry as im sure this may have been coverd before but i cant find it.
i have a 200Li elec water boiler that i want to install, easy in UK 35amp hook up and hot cold in and out, In France am i right in saying i need to fit a restrictor valve on the cold intake? and is it a 35amp hook up also which just attaches to the two screw connectors (live & neutral to either connector)? and are there any other funnies? earth?
or is it as simple as i hope it will be?
thankyou
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17/06/2008, 18:51
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powerdesal
 
Joined on 07/01/2006
Sharjah U.A.E
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Re: Electric boiler instalation
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Most definitely earth. There will be an earth terminal on the water
heater which should be connected at the tableau to the earth bar. Dont
install a water heater without an earth - please.
Steve
Sharjah + 50 (in France)
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Roll on death.....Demob is too far away.
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24/06/2008, 23:13
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Lee&Nik
Joined on 14/11/2007
nr Nontron
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Re: Electric boiler instalation
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Thanks for the advice, but can you tell me exactly what the tableau to the earth bar is? i was just going to earth it to the rest of the plumbing which itself is earthed,
there are two terminal connectors that go through a small box then run onto the bottom of the tank, and also out of the small box is a metal strip which is bolted to the main tank which i presumed is where i take the earth from?
i have a good clear picture but cant seem to paste it into this thread?
thanks again peeps,
lee
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04/07/2008, 2:22
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Proxima
Joined on 02/07/2008
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Great info. nicely laid out too.
Can I just add a few things that may have been missed out. I did read through the thread but don't remember seeing this..
Plumbing;
If you're using copper, then run all the main feed around to the areas you wish to supply in 18mm pipe. Once a point is reached, then you reduce down to the recomended sizes. These sizes are usually displayed in leaflets or display cards in places such as Mr. Bricolage etc. or can be found on the appliances themselves.
If memory serves me well, it goes something like this,
WC = 10mm
Wash basin = 12mm
Bath/kitchen sink = 14mm
It's something like that, so keep your eyes open or enquire as to the correct way.
Flexi connection hoses also come in these sizes, but are sometimes a bit of a pain to get a hold of. I had a right laugh trying to make sure I got all the correct fittings in one run to the merchants rather than having to go back again for forgotten/never considered parts. Sometimes I found I would be visiting several different suppliers to get the exact bits required.
One of the strangest things I ever saw was fully profesional French plumbers stood in the merchants for hours working out exactly which bits they wanted. I have seen this happen several times with different plumbers. Always stood around scratching there heads and checking over sketches or notes they made.
If you've bought all your kitchen bathroom appliances, this will make life a bit easier. Either position the appliances or make a diagram of where you would like them to go...then measure up for all the pipe you'll need.
Remember, 18mm for main runs, then 'Tee' off or feed to the appliances in required sizes. This way, you wont buy too much or too little of any particular pipe and you can work out from there exactly how many bends/straight couples/tee's/reducers you'll need.
In the UK, the rule is 1 pipe clip every meter..so you can happily apply that principle in France too. I'm pretty sure there's no regs on pipe clips.
A plumbing tip;
If you've just done a connection to older plumbing and you can't get the old joint soldered, then replace the joint itself. Ensure the pipes on both sides (old/new) are cleaned with wire wool and wiped with a cloth. Sometimes this replacing of a joint will also solve the problem of getting a leak from a newly installed run of plumbing. You just somehow get that odd connection that never sits right. Again, replace the connection.
The pipe doesn't matter too much as it's usually the connection that is the problem.
Have you done your kitchen/bathroom in wood or other dark materials with low lighting? Are you showing the copper piping ?
Buy a tube of autsol http://www.autosol.com/ and polish up all visible pipe/connections..you'll be amazed as to how it will look. It also helps to keep the pipe work in good condition and will never cease to amaze those who see it. Many will aks how you did it.
Autosol meta polish (in the tubes) is a fine paste and rubs off the top surface of most metals. It will remove scratches and the more you use it the higher qulaity the finish. Copper and aluminium can be given a mirror finish.
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04/07/2008, 5:51
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powerdesal
Joined on 07/01/2006
Sharjah U.A.E
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Re: Electric boiler instalation
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Lee,
The tableau is the 'Tableau d'electricite' ie the 'fuse box' in old fashioned UK terms, except of course no one uses fuses any more (?). Its the box where all your distribution switches are (disjoncteurs).
Your three core feed comes from a dedicated outlet in this box, the earth core of that 3 core feed is connected to the earth bar in that box. The earth bar is a brass coloured bar with multiple holes and clamping screws at each hole. All the green / yellow individual circuit earths are connected at that bar, the bar itself is connected to your house main earth.
Your assumption that the metal strip is the tank earth point is correct, it should have a connection screw already available in it. I would expect it to be marked with the earth symbol.
Steve
Sharjah + 50 (in France)
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Roll on death.....Demob is too far away.
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