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 28/03/2008, 9:52
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ruonglue
Joined on 02/01/2007
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Reporting illegal working
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Whilst having in the past some sympathy for those who have moved to france and are struggling to survive. I have recently lost two contracts to brits who are undercutting me and I am certain they are working en black. I have had enough. I am paying cotisations which support their stay here and have decided that whereas in the past I tended to turn a blind eye I am now not going to.
My question is.Who do I report them to and what evidence do I need ?
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28/03/2008, 10:11
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Val_2
Joined on 23/08/2004
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URSSAF have a special dept which deals with le travai noir. Just ring and ask to be put through as you wish to report this and they will treat you annonimously without you giving your details but the details of the culprits you wish to report only so get their names, reg numbers,addresses and phone numbers etc. You leave it with them and you will not hear anything personally but it does work. AND before anyone calls me a traitor to my countryfolks, I did this to report an employee of ours who was moonlighting when off ill and he was using one of our vehicles as well and he was french. Our accountant gave me the number to ring as well as he had several clients with problems about illegal workers etc.
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28/03/2008, 11:21
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Will
 
Joined on 22/09/2004
Sussex & 50 (Mortainais)
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28/03/2008, 12:20
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Punch
Joined on 23/08/2004
Mayenne (53)
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I used to feel like that 10 years ago, when I was first starting up my business in France but now the situation has got far worse as many more Brits are here trying to earn a crust at the expense of the legitimate ones - No thanks to Amanda Lamb etc. all promoting la vie en rose! I know it's not only the Brits, but from my customer base of 70/30 Brit/French clients, the problem is far worse on the Brit side!
Personally I only have a beef about the workers who are totally au noir, and not the ones who are properly registered and do some cash now and again - particularly those who go on to do the jobs that I may have quoted for.
This site is a good one - with similar bodies to contact as Clair has posted.
http://have-it.com/denonciation/pages/astuces/travail_au_noir.htm
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28/03/2008, 13:03
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marc62
Joined on 17/09/2004
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It is serious but I have to chuckle as to what the French may say about the jobs which the Brits have taken from them. I bet there is a chat room tucked away with exactly the same being said about the British taking the French jobs & how can they do it for less. Just think of all the extra biz that Amanda Lamb & co have generated buy selling France to the Brits amongst others, as you quote, 70% of your income is generated from the Brits anyway
In the UK at present there are many people saying the same thing about the Polish, but when you look into it the hard fact's are they are prepared to undertake a job for less (competative market place) than another person - who is in the wrong as long as they are legal & able?
Best way is not to assume they are not legal but to get the hard fact's, get them to give a quote for a job, it may be that they are just more competative in a hard market place - but then again?
Marc
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28/03/2008, 13:10
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marc62
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Just re read my own reply - I am not having a go at anyone & fully agree that those who work for cash in hand should not get away with it. I am afraid though that as long as people are prepared to pay for a cheap cash in hand job it will continue.
I work with in the kitchen / bedroom industry & have some 77 employed staff & over 200 sub contract labour. Whenever I speak to the sub contract labour about additional weekend work, a large proportion will alway's have a "private on at the weekend".
Marc
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28/03/2008, 14:43
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steve
Joined on 23/02/2008
Northern Dordogne
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in my particular case I look after gardens etc - nothing fancy, just grass cutting and keeping it all tidy. I charge what I think is an ok rate, not too cheap, but not too expensive - 22€/hr + TVA. There is someone local to me who I know isnt registered but charges 7€/hr + fuel costs - I have no proof yet though. They havent taken any work from me where we have both been quoting, but if he wasnt about, then would I have got the work? Who knows. When I manage to get proof I will report them, no question.
Steve
D&S Property Services
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28/03/2008, 22:23
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Frederick
Joined on 19/11/2007
Vendee 85/ Dorset
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£17.43 plus tax per hour to have your grass cut .......hmmmm ..... Is that the normal rate for a bit of gardening in France today....... its more than my neighbours pay for gardening in the UK .....are you busy Steve ?
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