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10/03/2008, 7:48 opas Joined on 23/08/2004 catalonia, top of the hill en route to the Chateau Posts 2,174 Forged notes What is the law here regarding forged notes? I have a Danish friend and yesterday she was telling me that she went shopping on wednesday, handed over a 500 euro note in Leroy merlin got 300+ notes back in change and went across the road to Auchan to buy something else. When she gave in a 50 euro not she noticed the girl checking more than the usual feel and look that is given to a note. She then noticed it had a tear in one corner and thought that was the reason for the scrutiny so offered her another which was refused. The assistant said it was fake and that she was keeping it. My friend has very basic french and probably went from french to Danish to English in equal quantities. Someone else was called and they too said they were keeping the note, she showed them her receipt of Leroy Merlin(about 10 mins old) and the rest of her purse but they were not budging(she wanted the note back to try and get somewhere in Leroy ) now my friend says that in Denmark if this happens , the store has to give a receipt for the money so it can be checked with the bank. I Know this used to happen when I worked in a supermarket in UK............but Auchan have a 50 euro note now and my friend cannot prove it!   What can she do and what should any of us do if it should be our misfortune next time?    Report

10/03/2008, 8:19 Pads Joined on 24/05/2006 Cornwall/ Montage Noir Posts 3,117 Re: Forged notes Some thing simular happened to me in Manchester in a music shop , a young chap took  a fifty pound note from me and wouldnt let me have it back. I didnt trust him so asked him to ring the police as I wasnt leaving . he soon backed down and gave it back to me. I was sure it was OK as I had got the money from my bank. I found a police man out in the street a few mins later and reported it to him, he said he should of given me a receipt and promised to look in to it and visit the shop. He had my details but I never heard from him again In france I have had 100 euro notes given back to me and , been told non ..... always assumed they couldnt change it , even though I have been in large stores , but maybe they just didnt trust them...............   Dirty Tom =^..^= Where ever I lay my paw thats my home    Report

10/03/2008, 12:18 opas Joined on 23/08/2004 catalonia, top of the hill en route to the Chateau Posts 2,174 Re: Forged notes Would I be correct in reporting this to the Police municiple nearest to where we live , I was thinking of taking my friend along this afternoon . I suppose I could find the one nearest to the store, but that is in Perpignan about 15 k from where we live.    Report

10/03/2008, 12:55 Clair Joined on 23/08/2004 ------- Forum Moderator ------- Lot Posts 6,243 Re: Forged notes I have found this: Que faire lorsque l'on se retrouve avec un faux billet ? Malheureusement pour vous, vous ne pourrez obtenir aucun remboursement. Par ailleurs, ne vous avisez pas de jeter ce billet car vous avez l'obligation de le rapporter à un commissariat ou de le faire remettre (directement ou via votre banque) à la banque de France. L'article L.162-2 du Code monétaire et financier indique : « Toute personne qui a reçu des signes monétaires contrefaits ou falsifiés a l'obligation de les remettre ou de les faire remettre à la Banque de France ou à l'administration des monnaies et médailles, selon qu'il s'agit de billets de banque ou de monnaies métalliques. La Banque de France et l'administration des monnaies et médailles sont habilitées à retenir et éventuellement à détruire les signes monétaires qu'elles reconnaissent comme contrefaits ou falsifiés ». Clair, a Real Virtual French Person La vérité est si obscurcie en ce temps et le mensonge si établi, qu'à moins d'aimer la vérité, on ne saurait la reconnaître. (Blaise Pascal)    Report

10/03/2008, 13:30 opas Joined on 23/08/2004 catalonia, top of the hill en route to the Chateau Posts 2,174 Re: Forged notes I understand that forged noted have to be taken out of circulation. What I cannot understand is how somone can take a note from someone else and declare it forged on the spot , without proof! Surely it is for the Banque de France to decide, so surely a receipt should be issued untill clarification has been received from the bank.  That is the way I am familiar with, I am not saying that I would be any happier if I was given a bit of paper intead of a forged note, but at least I and my friend would know that no other fraud has taken place.    Report

10/03/2008, 13:42 Benjamin Joined on 21/08/2005 Vendée South Posts 1,563 Re: Forged notes I always have bad thoughts when I see this sort of post. You don't think that the assistant in Auchan assumed because of your friend's accent/lack of fluent French she was just passing through on holiday and decided to chance their arm at "earning" an extra 50€ do you? Benjamin Snips, snails and puppy dog tails    Report

10/03/2008, 15:52 opas Joined on 23/08/2004 catalonia, top of the hill en route to the Chateau Posts 2,174 Re: Forged notes Thank you Benjamin, those were my thoughts.    Report

10/03/2008, 18:23 ErnieY Joined on 05/12/2006 Nr Prayssac (Lot) Posts 2,938 Re: Forged notes Think about what you're suggesting: You're hardly likely to say "OK, merci, au revoir" are you so others will become involved and if it were a genuine note the assistant would stand zero chance of getting away with it  My doctor said one drink per day, I can live with that !    Report

10/03/2008, 18:53 Russethouse Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 9,483 Re: Forged notes Hold on ErnieY, they did, didn't they ? They have the money and Opas friend has neither the money or receipt...... www.quimperclub.org 99    Report

10/03/2008, 21:08 ErnieY Joined on 05/12/2006 Nr Prayssac (Lot) Posts 2,938 Re: Forged notes Not quite, the friend didn't shrug and walk away but kicked up a fuss. Given the collusion and ba**s it would take to front out such a scam, and the fact that 2 French shop assistants, quite likely being observed by other curious or bemused customers, persisted in declaring the note fake, I find it almost impossible to believe that this was anything more than a well intentioned but badly handled mistake rather than anything more sinister or nefarious. With respect, whilst I can fully appreciate the difficulty of arguing in an unfamiliar foreign tongue, the real reason the friend came away empty handed was because she didn't tough it out and insist she be given either the note back or a receipt, failing which she should have simply called the police. Whatever they have then, be it real or fake, its not neccessarily through the malicious reason Opas and Benjamin suggest. Let's not forget too that if it was fake the friend was already €50 down before when she walked through Auchans door. Where on earth does one get a €500 note by the way, I've not seen one yet My doctor said one drink per day, I can live with that !    Report

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