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08/02/2008, 16:18 Muzzie Joined on 12/01/2007 Posts 26 UK advertising VAT exemption This is a bit puzzling. We've been advertising in UK press for the past 4 years and, as non residents, have always been exempt from VAT charges. We're currently trying to advertise with a new magazine and they are refusing to cancel the VAT unless we have an exemption number? Can anyone shed any light on this please? Is this a change to the law / system? Thanks Muzzie     Report

08/02/2008, 16:39 Albert the InfoGipsy Joined on 01/07/2006 Kingdom of the Middle Saxons & Vannes (56) Posts 613 Re: UK advertising VAT exemption I'm not an accountant, but my understanding is that for cross-border purchasing in general you have to be able to quote a VAT (TVA for French registered traders) number to the supplier. If you aren't registered for TVA then you don't qualify. Maybe there are special rules for print advertising or else you've been lucky. (Sits back & waits for an expert to cut that to pieces.) Albert the InfoGipsy "So welcome to the Citadel where the question is 'Am I?'"    Report

08/02/2008, 17:19 Quillan Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 3,719 Re: UK advertising VAT exemption If the company is VAT registered then they have to charge VAT on anything sold within the EU. I rather suspect that the companies you were dealing with before did not know this or the more likely reason is they were not (really) VAT registered. If they were then I would keep quite if I were you. http://www.chambresdhote.com    Report

08/02/2008, 17:32 Russethouse Joined on 23/08/2004 Forum Moderator Posts 9,937 Re: UK advertising VAT exemption I agree with Quillan, I deal withour VAT and we are specifically asked on the return about purchases and sales in other EU countries. However printed paper is VAT exempt in the UK, perhaps your first supplier thought this applied to supplying advertisments and the second suplier does not? Although I deal with print I do not deal with advertising so you may well be advised to look up the regulation. http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/businesshelp/ My first thought is that if the company is VAT registered then the VAT is payable. Sorry ! www.quimperclub.org 99    Report

08/02/2008, 17:45 Will Joined on 22/09/2004 Sussex & 50 (Mortainais) Posts 4,931 Re: UK advertising VAT exemption I cannot agree with you. I work in publishing and I was specifically told by les impôts, later backed up by my accountant, that I should not charge TVA on work done for English clients, even though we were both TVA/VAT registered in our respective countries. Admittedly this was invoicing from France, to England, rather than the other way round. What I had to do was to ensure that my SIRET or TVA number (if you know the former you can work out the latter) appeared on all paperwork, and invoices should carry the wording 'Exonération de TVA art 262 ter I CGI'. I should point out that the last invoice to which that applied was about 18 months ago, but I doubt if things have changed substantially in the meantime.   Will intentionally blank signature http://www.vienormande.com    Report

08/02/2008, 18:25 abbo2 Joined on 08/06/2007 Posts 14 Re: UK advertising VAT exemption You are actually both correct, the type of sale is a service and between eu countries is exempt  (or zero rated), the proof of being a business is what will matter for the provider.  A siret or TVA in france number is proving you are a business and therefore eligable but in the UK no equivilant of a siret number - you can just 'be a business' - and unless you register as company or choose (from income) to register for vat there is no real proof in the eyes of the tax office and therefore companies registered for vat must charge you vat. You could try reclaiming the vat but this is long winded and in my experience does not happen easily. Abbo2 (ACMA)    Report

08/02/2008, 19:11 Albert the InfoGipsy Joined on 01/07/2006 Kingdom of the Middle Saxons & Vannes (56) Posts 613 Re: UK advertising VAT exemption   Actually, Will, it's because you are both registered that VAT isn't chargeable. (Sorry about the bold. Ruddy formatting!) An article could be considered a good that is delivered to the customer's country, whereas advertising is a service (not mentioned below) and if you buy an advert to be published in the UK then it also is not being delivered to the country you are in. If all this is rubbish I admit to never having made a cross-border supply, although I have bought software from Belgium and not been charged because I was VAT registered. Look here: VAT > Information & Guides The relevant bit says: Supplies to VAT registered customers in other EC Member States/Exports to destinations outside the EC: what do I have to do? If your business supplies goods to VAT registered customers in other EC Member States and those goods are removed to another EC country the supply may be zero-rated provided you meet certain conditions. You must: obtain and show on your VAT sales invoice your customer's VAT registration number including a 2-letter country code prefix ensure the goods are sent or transported out of the UK to a destination in another Member State within specified time limits hold satisfactory commercial documentary evidence that the goods have been removed from the UK. If you do not meet all these conditions you must charge and account for VAT in the UK. You must also submit details to HM Revenue & Customs and record details separately on your VAT Return. If you have a high level of removals you may need to submit Intrastat Supplementary Declarations You can find more information about trading with VAT registered businesses in other Member States in Notice 725: The Single Market. Albert the InfoGipsy "So welcome to the Citadel where the question is 'Am I?'"    Report

08/02/2008, 19:38 Will Joined on 22/09/2004 Sussex & 50 (Mortainais) Posts 4,931 Re: UK advertising VAT exemption That makes sense, Albert. Will intentionally blank signature http://www.vienormande.com    Report

08/02/2008, 20:57 Albert the InfoGipsy Joined on 01/07/2006 Kingdom of the Middle Saxons & Vannes (56) Posts 613 Re: UK advertising VAT exemption Good Lord! Really? Albert the InfoGipsy "So welcome to the Citadel where the question is 'Am I?'"    Report

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