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20/05/2008, 6:45 opas Joined on 23/08/2004 catalonia, top of the hill en route to the Chateau Posts 2,174 Re: Please help.......insurance quandry  Ron Avery wrote: Just what was there in my post that caused Opas so much angst?  The fact that I pointed out it was outcast involved?  There is nothing else that I can see that would have caused any offence.  I have not been proved wrong of every count only that I had forgotten that he would be treated as a foreign national which Ernie politely corrected me about, the rest was 100% accurate, he did kick off as we knew he would charming chap that he is.  Post edited by the moderators. Users must not post messages which are insulting, abusive, racist, sexist, or derogatory in any way to others, whether they are individuals or companies, users of the Forum or not. This includes material sent via personal e-mails through this forum. Hey Ron Your second sentence in that statement must mean you have a very high Mensa........ Ron and the reat of the forum. I have put a footnote on the post where I said I had immagined he would resist arrest. He has told me he did not resist arerest, which in one way supprised me and in another didn`t. So Ron , you think you know my husband better than me because you KNEW he would kick off...............well you are almost 100% wrong, you are right about the fact he is a charming chap Post edited by the moderators. Users must not post messages which are insulting, abusive, racist, sexist, or derogatory in any way to others, whether they are individuals or companies, users of the Forum or not. This includes material sent via personal e-mails through this forum.    Report

21/05/2008, 0:47 J.R's gone native Joined on 16/07/2006 Picardie, Sussex Posts 1,695 Re: Please help.......insurance quandry I may be able to throw some light on this mystery, in the meantime I wish opas well with trying to repatriate both her car and husband and hope that she can post the precise reason for his incarceration when she knows. This morning I was concerned that the same could happen to me so I went to check my green international insurance document, the first surprise was that it was not in the car so I would have definitely been running a risk in the Uk where plod are unlikely to recognise the vignette. I have been delayed due to being in hospital all day and evening following a ladder accident but I have it in front of me now. At first glance it is clearly written in english, "international motor insurance card" and you dont need a translator to see the reg of the vehicle and the name of the insured but that is where the problem may have been, given that "outlaw" (whoever he is, perhaps someone before my time on the forum) was not the owner of the vehicle or the insured. I have never before noticed it but there is a second space under the one for the insureds signature, (I am assuming that this had Opas's signature). This second space is to be used only for travel in the UK, Ireland and Cyprus and is for the signatures of those permitted to use the vehicle, - it actually uses "peuvent" meaning able/can. On the reasonable assumption that outlaw had not signed here there are two scenarios both of which would require him to be detained as a "foreign suspect", the first is that the arresting officer understood the significance and the absence of  his name or signature on the form implied that he was uninsured until such time as he/you could prove otherwise. The second is that they did not understand the significance but would be looking for an insurance certificate bearing his name and the vehicle reg as would be the case in the UK. Again an assumption but if the carte grise was not in his name this would have reinforced their view that he may not have been  permitted to drive the vehicle, insured or even have stolen it. I would recommend all forum members who use their French registered and insured cars in the UK to check their "green cards" and fill out this box with the names of all other users to avoid potential problems.    Report

21/05/2008, 6:18 opas Joined on 23/08/2004 catalonia, top of the hill en route to the Chateau Posts 2,174 Re: Please help.......insurance quandry   No mystery, as stated above  when he was stopped he was asked for insurance papers ,The police did not want to listen when he said that it was a valid ins, showed tham all the details on it but they wouldn`t take his word for it and refused to get an interpretor (which it turns out they didn`t need to do.....all they had to do was phone the MIB...on the back of the card) The car is in his name, the insurance is in his name. The cart gris is in his name , his passport has another 6 years to run. I feel they thought he was being smart when he said he had no UK address to give them.......he had not been staying with anyone, the irony is that he is now with my dad, but as I have also mentioned earlier he would not put my dads address formard just to tick a box. I would have thought that in the days of free and easy accross boarder travel that the transport police....yes you read that right  , would know how to deal with a foreign looking document. It was not a beat bobby on the street that made this blunder it was the tranxport police. As also stated before, the custody seargent told me in no uncertain terms that it was ILLEGAL to work whilst traveling on a green card! There are a lot off irregularities on behalf of the police, I have an independant witness to prove one of them, which I shall not be dicussing on an open forum as Outcast has contacted various authorities and is taking the matter further.    Report

21/05/2008, 7:45 ErnieY Joined on 05/12/2006 Nr Prayssac (Lot) Posts 2,945 Re: Please help.......insurance quandry  J.Rs gone native wrote: I have been delayed due to being in hospital all day and evening following a ladder accident I sometimes wonder if you should be allowed out on your own JR You're not Michael Crawford  in mufti by any chance are you   PS the " causes the same quoting problem as the previous '   My doctor said one drink per day, I can live with that !    Report

21/05/2008, 11:20 sweet 17 Joined on 05/08/2006 charente maritime Posts 2,043 Re: Please help.......insurance quandry Sounds like he shouldn't be allowed out without his nurse.    Report

21/05/2008, 11:29 Boiling a frog Joined on 06/09/2004 Charente 16 Posts 536 Re: Please help.......insurance quandry  opas wrote:   I would have thought that in the days of free and easy accross boarder travel that the transport police....yes you read that right  , would know how to deal with a foreign looking document. It was not a beat bobby on the street that made this blunder it was the tranxport police.     Heavens above No wonder he was arrested,driving along a railway line. Or do you mean the traffic department           Boiling a frog    Report

21/05/2008, 12:20 andyh4 Joined on 15/06/2005 Frankfurt and Ardèche Posts 845 Re: Please help.......insurance quandry Don't be a smart #### BaF.  I doubt that OPAS realises that the Transport Police are a separate police force dealing mainly with the railways and never with road taffic on the public highway. Anyway I hope Outie takes 'em to the cleaners. Andy    Report

21/05/2008, 12:42 opas Joined on 23/08/2004 catalonia, top of the hill en route to the Chateau Posts 2,174 Re: Please help.......insurance quandry Hey listen nit pickers and jokers , after the weekend I have had you are lucky I didn`t type transvestite police...no insult intended to anyone! Yep traffic cops!     I am pleased to say that after getting the first bus to the city of Mcr this morning and being given a bit of a runnaround he has got our car back....the bills I sent for repairs to the car swung it that the car had only been in UK for a short time. Please can I just ask anyone who is taking a trip over to UK in their car ( or anywhere for that matter) please make sure that if you do take a diferent car to the one named on your travel documment, pay the extra fee to have it ammended.....it could save you a lot of time and trouble.....    Report

21/05/2008, 12:54 J.R's gone native Joined on 16/07/2006 Picardie, Sussex Posts 1,695 Re: Please help.......insurance quandry Ah so it all hinged on that then Opas. I usually never have a travel document just a booking reference scribbled on a bit of paper Does the Outlaw look like Noel Edmunds by any chance?    Report

21/05/2008, 13:04 J.R's gone native Joined on 16/07/2006 Picardie, Sussex Posts 1,695 Re: Please help.......insurance quandry  ErnieY wrote: [ I sometimes wonder if you should be allowed out on your own JR You're not Michael Crawford  in mufti by any chance are you   I will have you know that I resemble that comment Ernie! Actually my first accident de travail (sorry Bricolage), I am always safety conscious and was doing what I have done thousands of times before with these ladders (in my first business many times a day) but I guess familiarity breeds contempt. Nothing as common as falling off a ladder for me, I hadnt even left the ground when the 3rd section of my 30 foot ladder gave an unscheduled but very convincing impression of a guillotine. Luckily it impacted the most dense part (in more ways than one) of my body When I get back in the saddle I will post some photos in the health and safety thread of my preferred  method of ascending my home made scaffolding, saddle being the operative word.    Report

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