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19/05/2008, 16:16 JJ Joined on 01/01/2005 Charente Maritime Posts 238 Impending Fuel Crisis in France? Just read the below, apparently the French are doing the same as the Brits do in this situation. yes panic buying. http://www.france24.com/en/20080519-france-protests-french-fisherman-angry-fuel-prices-costs&navi=FRANCE JJ www.gites.gb.com    Report

19/05/2008, 16:41 powerdesal Joined on 07/01/2006 Sharjah U.A.E Posts 2,017 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? 79 cents a litre, I wish.     1E 40c this morning in Percy, so I am told. Steve Sharjah + 50 (in France) ........................................................................... Roll on death.....Demob is too far away.    Report

19/05/2008, 19:54 ErnieY Joined on 05/12/2006 Nr Prayssac (Lot) Posts 2,945 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? I would guess this is red diesel but even so still cheap, we paid 89 last week. Mind you, I think they're probably buying bit more than us   My doctor said one drink per day, I can live with that !    Report

19/05/2008, 20:27 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,096 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? I don't think they have red diesel here Ernie, well the farmers don't anyway. A few weeks back I was talking to my oil man about farm supplies being dyed in the UK and he said the farmers get the same fuel as we do and pay for it just like us but they can claim back a large proportion of the tax as I believe can the fishermen.  Blocking the ports and oil refineries is just ridiculous, all that is going to do is push the price higher, mind you, I cannot see people panic buying,  it has reached 1.40€ a litre here in the supermarkets, the local garages are far higher, but petrol does not seem to have risen pro rata or am I imagining that the price gap between diesel and petrol is narrowing? Ron in the Avey-ron    Report

19/05/2008, 21:33 ErnieY Joined on 05/12/2006 Nr Prayssac (Lot) Posts 2,945 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? Well my heating oil is most definately red  I can't argue with what you say Ron but if the farmers and fishermen don't use red too then what it the point of it. The only thing I can see is that it's to deter saps like me cheating by putting in our cars, can you think of any other reason ? Pay and claim back hey, sounds suspiciously like a pointless process with no obvious puropse but to keep another handful of foncieres in a job    My doctor said one drink per day, I can live with that !    Report

19/05/2008, 21:38 J.R's gone native Joined on 16/07/2006 Picardie, Sussex Posts 1,695 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? Nt imagination Ron nor a price gap either. Diesel now costs the same as SP95 here, I reckon if you give it a couple of weeks there will be a price gap again but a negative one! Bio-ethanol is currently 80cts a litre, A French friend came round today whose Renault Laguna has been using it for the last 3 months so I grilled him on the subject, cost of conversion was €400 by a local trader, he reckons that it uses about 15% more fuel than on petrol and said he has already amortised the cost after doing more than 10K Km. I havnt had a chance to check his amortisation figures but even paying €1.44 a litre my Skoda diesel is more economical to run as I get between 55 and 65mpg dependant on whether I am towing a fully (over)laden trailer, the writing is on the wall though for diesels I believe, tomorrow I am going to check the GPL price as it is more widely available than bio-ethanol. I also recieved a very ill concieved chain letter type E-mail suggesting that all drivers stop buying fuel from Elf, Total and I think Shell and switch to supermarkets, just who do they think supplies the supermarkets? That said we do need a French equivalent to that Welsh farmer, I wonder if he is still under surveillance?    Report

19/05/2008, 22:53 Ron Avery Joined on 29/11/2004 Aveyron 12 Posts 3,096 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France?  ErnieY wrote: Well my heating oil is most definately red  I can't argue with what you say Ron but if the farmers and fishermen don't use red too then what it the point of it. The only thing I can see is that it's to deter saps like me cheating by putting in our cars, can you think of any other reason ? Pay and claim back hey, sounds suspiciously like a pointless process with no obvious puropse but to keep another handful of fonciere's in a job  Maybe its your rusty tank Ernie!!  There are different grades of fuel and heating oil, one might be reddish, but its not dyed so that it can be checked.  Farmers use the same diesel as the rest of us. The purpose is that only registered farmers can claim back the tax paid, far more efficient I would suggest than having hundreds of HMRC staff checking lorries and vans for red diesel. Ron in the Avey-ron    Report

20/05/2008, 7:18 ErnieY Joined on 05/12/2006 Nr Prayssac (Lot) Posts 2,945 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? Plastic tanks tend not to rust Ron AFAIK auto diesel and most heating oils (kerosene etc) are virtually colourless so why this stuff is red then I have no idea. Anyone ? Do HMRC still check private vehicles for red diesel ? I suppose they do and although I can remember occassionally seeing roadside checks going on I don't think I've seen one in the last 10 or 15 years. With the current popularity of diesel cars I'd have thought that checks would be more frequent not less.       My doctor said one drink per day, I can live with that !    Report

20/05/2008, 7:59 andyh4 Joined on 15/06/2005 Frankfurt and Ardèche Posts 845 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? Well if it not dyed Ron, why do my deliveries come with a note to say that I must keep the receipt for 3 years and present it on demand to the Douanes and that the fuel must not be used in a motor vehicle (cannot remember the precise definition).  Paraffin and Diesel are naturally colourless to yellowy - in no way do hydrocarbons have any form of red colour.  So de facto, red fuel = dye/colourant added Andy    Report

20/05/2008, 8:11 woolybanana'sbrother Joined on 18/01/2008 Posts 979 Re: Impending Fuel Crisis in France? The Douanes often do check in fact. Seen them at the payage on the motorway south from Lille.    Report

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