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26/10/2007, 23:11 RichardA Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 21 Micro Entreprise ... any news yet for low earnings?? Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone knew details had been released about likely cotisation payments for MicroBic etc with relatively low earnings? I am resident in France and already work full time as an employee, but was wanting to do some Internet work on the side for UK customers. A realsitic annual turnover for this extra work would be around 5000 Euros, possibly rising slowly over subsequent years. Obviously under the old scheme the minimum social security payments would have rendered this probably not worth the bother! Does anyone know what my likely cotisation payments would be on a turnover of 5000 Euros? And if this was likely to change (and when) with the supposed new "pro rata" payment regime I've heard about? I was hoping to register the business to commence trading from 1 Jan 2008... Any advice gratefully received! :-) Many thanks, Richard    Report

27/10/2007, 9:42 paul Joined on 27/01/2007 Posts 4 Re: Micro Entreprise ... any news yet for low earnings?? As it happens I found some information on a french social web site the other night and there is likely to be a new law coming in that refers only to micro enterprises and  you would be able to submit evidence of your actual turnover every 3 months and then your cotisations would be charged accordingly at a rate of 24% of turnover,  This is applicable where you are supplying labour only (it is 14% for those in manufacturing).  They said that this would be more realistic and hope that more people would come forward rather than working on the black.  In addition to this you would be liable for french pension payments that are normally E166 per month however if you are on a very low income you can appeal to pay only the minimum of E60 per month. I have spoken to an english speaking liason we have with our chambre de metiers and she has said this is correct however they have no definite start date, I did read that the start date was 1 January 2008.  Best of luck with your venture. Jo    Report

27/10/2007, 11:43 RichardA Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 21 Re: Micro Entreprise ... any news yet for low earnings?? <<In addition to this you would be liable for french pension payments that are normally E166 per month however if you are on a very low income you can appeal to pay only the minimum of E60 per month.>> Jo, thanks for that. So if I understand right, the french pension payments would still be almost 2000 euros per year, despite the new law? (I don't think I'd qualify as a very low earner due to my full time job!). I suppose it's better than before however. On another note, would it entitle me and my wife to a Carte Vitale? My full time job is outside France, and in Haute Savoie they don't give you one if you work across the border!      Report

08/11/2007, 15:04 Helen Joined on 23/08/2004 12 Posts 139 Re: Micro Entreprise ... any news yet for low earnings?? Have a look at this page  http://mamicroentreprise.free.fr/article.php3?id_article=88 I find these things very difficlut to understand  but seems to be implying a a minimum level of cotisations of about 1400€  (resulting from a turnover in a microbic of less than 10000€) Theres a huge amount of info on the website.    Report

08/11/2007, 16:27 woolybanana Joined on 27/08/2007 Posts 1,208 Re: Micro Entreprise ... any news yet for low earnings?? Looks useful for getting health cover though doesn't it. The 45% total is likely to be cheaper than the cost of private health cover.    Report

08/11/2007, 21:09 Gemini_man Joined on 10/02/2007 near Ribérac, Dordogne. Posts 264 Re: Micro Entreprise ... any news yet for low earnings?? RichardA, I can't answer the question you asked but interestingly this week I received my demand for payment of the final 20% of this years cotisations (Microbic MSA - entretien parcs, jardins, piscines et maisons). However instead of owing money I have received "rectificatives des cotisations" for 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 each of which has reduced my yearly cotisations by around 10%, consequently I owe nothing more for this year and will even be receiving a rebate. I cannot find any particular reference to which Loi this adjustment refers to so I don't know whether or not I should be cheering Nicolas Sarkozy but it is the first time in umpteen years that I have received a reduction in cotisation payments and that can't be a bad thing    Report

14/03/2008, 14:47 Celestine Joined on 08/01/2008 Posts 65 Re: Micro Entreprise ... any news yet for low earnings?? Can I disgress for a moment please? Gemini_man, I see that you are registered as an Entretien parcs, jardins, piscines et maisons - what does this allow you to do please? My hubby registered as a gardener but this is proving to not be a wide enough heading - he is literally allowed to mow grass and cut trees. We will be changing his title soon if its not too much of a problem to do that - which leads to another question, has anyone changed their business and what does it entail? Would we have to go back to the chambre of commerce and re-register? Would there be charges for doing this? Any info really appreciated!    Report

18/03/2008, 16:34 ines smith Joined on 14/03/2008 Posts 2 Re: Micro Entreprise ... any news yet for low earnings?? Looks as though this new low earnings rule is now in operation. I have just set up a business to at least keep me in the health system, and this will be a great help.   http://www.french-property.com/newsletter/2008/3/18/social-security-contributions-in-france/      Report

20/03/2008, 17:39 pepsisue Joined on 16/11/2007 Midi-Pyrenees Posts 7 Re: Micro Entreprise ... any news yet for low earnings?? Hi Anyone, what would be our best bet. We want to open a Chambre d'Hote and as we cannot guarantee an income,  is it best to do (regime re'eal) ???  for declaration or is the Micro way best. Thanks. Pepsisue (novice)     Report

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